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M20 Victorian Age Mage
Verlag: Onyx Path Publishing
von Oliver S. [Verifizierter Käufer]
Hinzugefügt am: 10/26/2023 03:52:25

The greatest thing about Mage is that it shows you all sides and all shades of grey. There are no good guys, only interests and tough choice. This title is a total departure.

To sum this setting up: technocracy="the europeans" (whatever that means) = bad. Anyone else pretty much good. If thats your view of history this game is for you.

I find this view not only inaccurate, extremely simplified and frankly, quite racist, but mainly it elimintates what makes mage great. That we are all struggling, we are all faced with difficult choices and if anything unites us all (as humans) it is this dilemma.

So this is a total no for me.



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M20 Victorian Age Mage
Verlag: Onyx Path Publishing
von Balazs C. [Verifizierter Käufer]
Hinzugefügt am: 08/15/2023 18:55:44

I quite enjoyed this romp through alternative Victorian history. Does it have a liberal flavour? Definitely. But, that does not make the situations and individuals cited any less factual. If anything, this book made me delve more deeply into The Victorian Era and want to learn more about British Imperialism. I have discovered many interesting things about those times from this and other actual historical sources that were not covered in school.



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M20 Victorian Age Mage
Verlag: Onyx Path Publishing
von Pat G. [Verifizierter Käufer]
Hinzugefügt am: 07/03/2023 21:30:16

Badly written, by someone who really wants to preach progressive politics at you. The words "there, I said it" have no palce outside of a self-satisfied teenager sassing another teenager, while the book is otherwise very, very thick with the author's annoying fringe politics. There are some interesting ideas in the book, but you need to wade through too much other stuff to rescue them. Save your time and avoid this.

(I was tempted to go through the book with a black marker to remove the lectures and things I'd keep and things I'd ditch for any campaign I'd run - unfortunate that most post-WW content is so much less usable)



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M20 Victorian Age Mage
Verlag: Onyx Path Publishing
von Iain L. [Verifizierter Käufer]
Hinzugefügt am: 04/19/2023 10:52:06

I've been a fan of White Wolf games (and then Onyx Path) since almost the beginning and I have an extensive library of WW/OP products from several lines. One thing that I have always appreciated about Vampire/Werewolf/Mage/Wraith/etc. is how well-researched and informative their books are so that if you want to run a story or campaign in a time or setting that you are not intimately familiar with, you can do a decent job immersing your players in the setting in a believable way. I'm currently preparing to run a Technocracy campaign for my group and when I discovered that a new book had just been released, I was excited and bought it as soon as I could. While I was looking forward to learning more about the Victorian Age with a World of Darkness spin to it, what I was continually frustrated with was that this book cannot help but interject "modern sensibilities" into nearly every page. Yes, there were many atrocities committed during Imperialism. Yes, humanity has a bad track record of how it treats humanity. That being said, it is now history, and I didn't particularly enjoy paying $55 for a hard-bound 260+ page essay about how awful and evil Imperialism was and that we should continue to somehow be ashamed of events that occurred over a hundred years ago. Historical context is what I paid for. Op-ed lectures get extremely tiresome and are not helpful. I would love to keep buying new products from Mage 20th Anniversary edition, but I don't want to keep supporting treatises about current socio-political opinions when I'm trying to run what amounts to a modern fantasy game. If you are one of the authors, PLEASE stick to the fantasy setting and stop drowning readers in your biases.



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M20 Victorian Age Mage
Verlag: Onyx Path Publishing
von Sarah H. [Verifizierter Käufer]
Hinzugefügt am: 01/29/2023 15:07:06

Instead of jumping right in I'd like to start off with something I didn't detract stars for; the layout. Between the noise ridden backgrounds and the placement of Tradition/Convention symbols behind the text in their respective chapters it makes for a very hard read for those of us with visual issues. And yes the M20 core book did have the symbols behind their text as well, but they at least had it faded to the point where it wasn't as much of an issue. That said screen readers don't have that many issues with the pdf outside of the pronunciation of certain words. We aren't the main demographic, I get that, but oh boy are the backgrounds a shift from the less chaotic ones they usually use.

My gripe instead comes from this book boiling Mage down into Traditions good Order of Reason bad. This went as far as attributing some of the horrific things the Traditions have done to the Order of Reason instead. Sure, the Celestial Chorus and the Order of Hermes are mentioned doing bad things and the Verbena are mentioned offhand once during one of those segments, but it pales in comparison to what it was. For me one of the main draws of the system was the fact that there were no good guys. The Traditions were abusive and power hungry (and were even more so back when they were at the top). Likewise the Order of Reason/Technocracy had similar failings, only with less infighting. It was very much a pick your poison situation with many mages choosing their respective sides based on which reality best benefitted their particular utilization of magic. Yes there were good aligned characters, but there were not nearly enough of them to try to claim the Traditions are good in general.

That paragraph alone took it down to three stars for me. The additional star was lost due to the overuse of certain terms. Yes they are descriptive and do detail things that were going on at the time, but they really don't need to be repeated as frequently as they are in this pdf.



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